Comments on: Hot Jazz vs. Cold Beans http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html Me, my family, whatever I like, whatever I want to write about! Sun, 14 Feb 2010 04:59:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Wagenknecht.org | Gunnar’s Weblog » Blog Archive » A Fantastic Year http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html/comment-page-1#comment-7466 Wagenknecht.org | Gunnar’s Weblog » Blog Archive » A Fantastic Year Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:07:54 +0000 http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html#comment-7466 [...] March was probably the month with the most fun. A new city, some new stuff and a lot of great days. In fact, I’ve met a lot people I knew from newsgroups, mailing lists, chats and other activities for the first time. It was really fantastic. I can’t wait for the next EclipseCon. [...] [...] March was probably the month with the most fun. A new city, some new stuff and a lot of great days. In fact, I’ve met a lot people I knew from newsgroups, mailing lists, chats and other activities for the first time. It was really fantastic. I can’t wait for the next EclipseCon. [...]

]]> By: Gunnar Wagenknecht http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html/comment-page-1#comment-248 Gunnar Wagenknecht Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:25:29 +0000 http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html#comment-248 Yes. Jazz up your Eclipse now - use Mylar! :mrgreen: Yes. Jazz up your Eclipse now – use Mylar! :mrgreen:

]]> By: eu http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html/comment-page-1#comment-247 eu Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:12:07 +0000 http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html#comment-247 BTW, for those who want something immediately and still deal with Bugzilla from inside of Eclipse I'd suggest to look at Mylar project, which has nice Bugzilla integration and much more to support entire work process starting from bugzilla/jira issue up to CVS commit when issue is resolved. BTW, for those who want something immediately and still deal with Bugzilla from inside of Eclipse I’d suggest to look at Mylar project, which has nice Bugzilla integration and much more to support entire work process starting from bugzilla/jira issue up to CVS commit when issue is resolved.

]]> By: Gunnar Wagenknecht http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html/comment-page-1#comment-246 Gunnar Wagenknecht Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:49:27 +0000 http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html#comment-246 Hi Scott, Thanks for your feedback. I talked with Chris Aniszczyk about this at EclipseCon and according to his comment they are useing ECF or at least parts of it. But I don't know. Cu, Gunnar Hi Scott,

Thanks for your feedback. I talked with Chris Aniszczyk about this at EclipseCon and according to his comment they are useing ECF or at least parts of it. But I don’t know.

Cu, Gunnar

]]> By: Scott Lewis http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html/comment-page-1#comment-245 Scott Lewis Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:43:12 +0000 http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html#comment-245 Hi Gunnar, I/ECF team appreciate the positive words in your blog...unfortunately, I don't believe the Jazz team are currently using ECF. I/we certainly would like them to, and believe using ECF would add to their interoperability story for Jazz (i.e. being able to interoperate with existing servers/services), but my understanding is that they are not doing this yet. I will be interacting with the Jazz team to ask them to consider doing this, as I think it could/would be to everyone's mutual benefit. For those that agree that Jazz should have greater support for interoperability with multiple server-based services, any words in support of that notion to the Jazz team and leadership would be most appreciated. It's not a technical stretch to use ECF, and ECF's openness and protocol agnosticism would be of benefit, I believe, to Jazz users and Jazz development. Best, Scott Lewis, ECF project lead Hi Gunnar,

I/ECF team appreciate the positive words in your blog…unfortunately, I don’t believe the Jazz team are currently using ECF.

I/we certainly would like them to, and believe using ECF would add to their interoperability story for Jazz (i.e. being able to interoperate with existing servers/services), but my understanding is that they are not doing this yet. I will be interacting with the Jazz team to ask them to consider doing this, as I think it could/would be to everyone’s mutual benefit.

For those that agree that Jazz should have greater support for interoperability with multiple server-based services, any words in support of that notion to the Jazz team and leadership would be most appreciated. It’s not a technical stretch to use ECF, and ECF’s openness and protocol agnosticism would be of benefit, I believe, to Jazz users and Jazz development.

Best,

Scott Lewis, ECF project lead

]]> By: Chris Aniszczyk http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html/comment-page-1#comment-233 Chris Aniszczyk Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:19:58 +0000 http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html#comment-233 All I have to say is wow... the stuff was quite amazing. All I have to say is wow… the stuff was quite amazing.

]]> By: RefuX http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html/comment-page-1#comment-232 RefuX Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:05:39 +0000 http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html#comment-232 Gunnar you tease, tell us about how great it is but no movie! Hopefully they will make a screen cast :) I think between Jazz and ALF the way we develop software is going to be really getting better! Gunnar you tease, tell us about how great it is but no movie!
Hopefully they will make a screen cast :)

I think between Jazz and ALF the way we develop software is going to be really getting better!

]]> By: Gunnar Wagenknecht http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html/comment-page-1#comment-231 Gunnar Wagenknecht Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:46:00 +0000 http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html#comment-231 Yes, I know what you are talking about. I've developed a lot stuff for the Open Source ClearCase integration. :) I think Jazz is also based on the Eclipse Team API but they started to bring this into a context (for example, client side merges). Working with ClearCase is different than working with CVS or SVN. But I think that it doesn't have to be. I did some research and IMO it is possible to integrate <strong>every</strong> repository with the Eclipse Team way. The only problem left is that existing users not familar with the Eclipse Team processes have to adapt to them. However, I don't think that Jazz is limited to this domain. You should start thinking of Jazz as a technology in whole not limited to the domain of software development only. There are a lot industries that practise change management and processes in the context of their domains. Now think of bridging all this into one technology that is extensible and customizable to adapt to every each of these domains and their underlying systems and technologies. Yes, I know what you are talking about. I’ve developed a lot stuff for the Open Source ClearCase integration. :) I think Jazz is also based on the Eclipse Team API but they started to bring this into a context (for example, client side merges).

Working with ClearCase is different than working with CVS or SVN. But I think that it doesn’t have to be. I did some research and IMO it is possible to integrate every repository with the Eclipse Team way. The only problem left is that existing users not familar with the Eclipse Team processes have to adapt to them.

However, I don’t think that Jazz is limited to this domain. You should start thinking of Jazz as a technology in whole not limited to the domain of software development only. There are a lot industries that practise change management and processes in the context of their domains. Now think of bridging all this into one technology that is extensible and customizable to adapt to every each of these domains and their underlying systems and technologies.

]]> By: Boris Pruessmann http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html/comment-page-1#comment-230 Boris Pruessmann Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:33:42 +0000 http://wagenknecht.org/blog/archives/2006/03/hot-jazz-vs-cold-beans.html#comment-230 Unfortunately I missed that "BoF" session but I am very curious if they managed to abstract the access to CVS in a way that really makes it possible to plug-in other SCM systems. I think this has been tried with Team support in Eclipse and I don't think that it was really that successful since CVS is quite different from other SCMs. Don't get me wrong, I think team support in Eclipse is great, however there are lots of things that you have to re-implement if you want to integrate a different SCM. Unfortunately I missed that “BoF” session but I am very curious if they managed to abstract the access to CVS in a way that really makes it possible to plug-in other SCM systems. I think this has been tried with Team support in Eclipse and I don’t think that it was really that successful since CVS is quite different from other SCMs. Don’t get me wrong, I think team support in Eclipse is great, however there are lots of things that you have to re-implement if you want to integrate a different SCM.

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