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Eclipse 4 – Uh Oh! Trouble’s brewin?

Wednesday, September 26th, 2012, 09:14:31 +0200, Gunnar Wagenknecht

Recently I was approached by someone I worked with in the past about Eclipse 4. Apparently, he read Andrew’s blog (Something is really broken with Eclipse foundation) and was really concerned. I’ve been very quiet in the whole debate that was going on but I had my thoughts. So I crafted a response that I’d also like to share with the public in this blog.

It’s no secret that IBM’s investment into the core platform is declining. From looking at the stats today, they still have 80+ active Eclipse committers. However, only three (according to this mail) are working on the core platform (Platform UI that is).

Another issue is attitude. There are a lot companies out there using and building on the core platform. However, most just take the investment by IBM for granted. A lot also simply underestimated the effect of a new major release. Eclipse 4 is a complete rewrite in terms of Platform UI. Of course it’s not as stable as 3.x yet. However, I heard statements like “oh it (any Eclipse release) always worked for us“. So some just didn’t care a lot about testing on 4.x. That valuable testing feedback is painfully missed these days.

Frankly, I’m curious myself how this will turn out because developer tools are still necessary. I just can’t believe that no one of the large companies with hundreds and thousands of developers realizes that. I actually thought about making a business out of that, i.e. getting paid for working on the core of Eclipse by selling maintenance/support contracts/features. However, I also think that this will be a challenging business to develop. It’s hard to convince companies of certain sizes to spend money on something they either get for free or invest money into someone that is too small for their business.

BTW, I know of at least a few companies in the Eclipse ecosystem that tried. But they never became a significant contributor to the core platform. Not sure if it was a matter of lack of business or lack of focus. They are making money with Eclipse, though. Their business is also based on the core platform. Wondering what they will do.

It’s also hard to convince members who are already paying membership fees to spend additional money for developing Eclipse.  Paying twice sounds unfair. So another intriguing option is to change the Foundation by-laws so that it will be allowed to hire rock star core platform developers. Maybe they just need to hire a complement to Linus for Eclipse. Well that would be me or course. ;)

I also do have an issue with people complaining very loudly about something. It’s not that there weren’t any previous chances to chime in and speak up when previous decisions were made. But those complaining the loudest do not necessarily represent a majority. Note, I’m not denying any of the Eclipse 4 problems here. Just saying something I observed during my excursions in politics.  It’s not what you say, but how you say it.

Luckily, Google not only noticed that discussion but carefully paid attention for an immediate need. Their Open Source office donated $20.000 to buy new performance testing hardware. Thank you Google! 

BTW, Eclipse 4.2 runs fine on my new notebook. I did not observe the performance issues so far. However, I remember I had issues with the new animations on my old notebook. I showed them to Eric at ECE 2011 . But that was on a development build and turning off animations solved my performance issues back then.

I really wonder how this will turn out. I recently learned that SAP is the 3rd largest contributor to Eclipse these days. I hope they will start investing into the core platform. The guys in the SAP Open Source office (although not officially named as such) are smart. But it would mean for IBM to give up control and let others play an important role in the strategic future of the core platform.

One Response to “Eclipse 4 – Uh Oh! Trouble’s brewin?”

  1. Achim Loerke Says:

    Well, not being a large company, but an Eclipse strategic member we decided to help the platform. We just a hired a guy (not a rock star, yet) to support platform development and test (e4 especially), starting in early 2013 (which, b.t.w., will cost us a lot more than 20,000USD). I’ve also been contacted by a rockstar who looked for a sponsor for e4 work. Since my budget was spend I couldn’t take the sponsorship. Feel free to contact me (everyone, that is) if you want to step in!

    I agree with you that 4.2 is not that bad. Personally I was much more annoyed by the introduction of p2.

    Achim

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